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Post by Damocles on Oct 7, 2010 12:11:02 GMT -5
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Post by Nacky on Oct 8, 2010 3:14:26 GMT -5
I think it's safe to say that we are all skywatchers here!
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Post by Damocles on Oct 8, 2010 7:29:28 GMT -5
I think it's safe to say that we are all skywatchers here! Ces't vrai. How many of us launch rockets? I am curious to see if there is a fellow rocketeer here.
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Post by Siress Sarika on Oct 9, 2010 0:57:04 GMT -5
LOL....well as you can see there's a only 8 of us here so far...so it would be damn surprising to find a rocket launcher among our little group.
This is a wonderful thread by the way. Thanks for posting this and sharing your interest. I look forward to seeing more from you Damocles!
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Post by Damocles on Oct 10, 2010 10:02:29 GMT -5
LOL....well as you can see there's a only 8 of us here so far...so it would be damn surprising to find a rocket launcher among our little group. This is a wonderful thread by the way. Thanks for posting this and sharing your interest. I look forward to seeing more from you Damocles! Remember Lisa Randall? Opera in the Fifth Dimension.The science is a success, The opera is not.
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Post by Siress Sarika on Oct 11, 2010 0:10:04 GMT -5
Hmmmm, Lisa Randall? No, doesn't ring a bell...(eh, no pun intended..lol ) Do enlighten this Siress, Sir Damocles.
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Post by Damocles on Oct 11, 2010 5:32:55 GMT -5
Hmmmm, Lisa Randall? No, doesn't ring a bell...(eh, no pun intended..lol ) Do enlighten this Siress, Sir Damocles. You never saw this?I used to post her little Youtube snippets all the time.
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Post by Damocles on Oct 12, 2010 5:41:12 GMT -5
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Post by Siress Sarika on Oct 13, 2010 0:19:30 GMT -5
Oh....I still use a dial up connection so, I don't bother with youtube videos...takes forever to load. That's why I am unfamiliar with your past posted snippets, hon. Sorry.
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Post by Damocles on Oct 13, 2010 3:08:50 GMT -5
Oh....I still use a dial up connection so, I don't bother with youtube videos...takes forever to load. That's why I am unfamiliar with your past posted snippets, hon. Sorry. articlePlease ignore the crass sexist portions of the author. In simple English, we are not going to be able to accelerate protons and anti-protons fast enough to slam them them into each other in enough numbers quickly enough in a short enough period of time to create the necessary bubbling in the space/time (brane) at the underverse to detect something called the Higgs boson ( a big heavy particle) that we need to find to prove the current notion of gauge fields in the standard model, much less the near companions to a particle called the graviton which would be the force particle for gravity.. We need 3.5 trillion trillion electron volts. We can only get maybe 10 TeV out of the large hadron collider at the best even with the best upgrades some 10-20 years in the future.. That Is a LOT of electricity (about what Jupiter produces in its electric-magnetic field as a whole planet.)
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Post by Siress Sarika on Oct 14, 2010 0:48:18 GMT -5
I'm gonna need a a little more time to take that all in. I'll begin by getting a nice big cup of tea and settle in to read it all. Sounds fascnitaing though. Y'know, I'm getting a feeling you might have sent me a link to her stuff after all.
Thanks Damocles for this!
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Post by Nacky on Oct 14, 2010 3:41:50 GMT -5
You know, it's also impossible to find exotic matter even in our nearby space. Exotic matter is said to produce effects like black holes and can be used as an application for time travel. My theory (I haven't really written any papers on this because I don't publish anything like that) but my theory has been that time travel is possible but not in the way most think.
For one thing, as you've mentioned, the electric charge for Jupiter's entire planet isn't even obtainable in this part of space so close to the sun and if it were, we'd probably not like it. To produce enough exotic matter to bend space, as you will, it would have to occur elsewhere. Therefore if we could go back (or forward) in time, we'd pretty much have to center all of the planet's mass in that part of space, in that part of its orbit, and use some kind of portal of the same mass while not knocking the actual planet off its axis. And you'd have to get it down to the atomic measurements of where it would be, or had been, and the exact, exact billionth of a second of where to make entry.
I don't believe time travel where one goes back in time to say, meet Einstein would be possible. Because of the very fact that all organic matter (humans, perishbles, etc) have already traveled through its own course in time. However, objects which have no life force could be present. So one could go back in time to perhaps view a temple or something along those lines. Things. Any organic material would have already phased through and either be gone or still living presently. Elements like the ground, soil, trees, etc. grow and move with an incredibly slower rate or metabolism so it's possible you'd have a ground to actually stand on if time travel became applicable. But without knowing what you'd come upon if time travel became a reality, it's a bit scary to imagine if you'd be stepping into some kind of situation that might be unfavorable.
Very interesting article, Democles. I hope to read more of your thoughts.
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Post by Damocles on Oct 14, 2010 7:14:14 GMT -5
You know, it's also impossible to find exotic matter even in our nearby space. Exotic matter is said to produce effects like black holes and can be used as an application for time travel. My theory (I haven't really written any papers on this because I don't publish anything like that) but my theory has been that time travel is possible but not in the way most think. Let's talk some science here. How do you find something that you cannot detect by direct observation across an interval? You measure what you think it will do to the interval. For this example we will use something quantum mechanical. We take two thin copper plates and polish them. Set them close to each other in a temperature controlled charge neutral vacuum and attach springs to measure either pull or push between the flat plates. www.daviddarling.info/encyclopedia/C/Casimir.htmlThat is ZERO POINT ENERGY www.calphysics.org/zpe.htmlfor the electromagnetic force across an interval demonstrated by measuring the physical distance and tensor effects on mass. We can't see it. To do the same with gravity (as planned for the LIGO, a laser interferometry gravitational observatory experiment) we need to do a variant of that method, whereby we observe either harmonic jitter or spatial displacement in controlled rest masses with distances and shape distorttions measured by lasers. As a pulsar or neutron star either star-quakes or pulsates and generates naturally modulated gravity waves we can then time match the jitter we detect with EM telescope observations in the luminosity fluctuations of the target source objects. A MATCH means gravitons. Or we can look for secondary and tertiary particle decay products in the LHC, to find the elusive Higgs boson. We find those there, and then the graviton becomes likely as a force carrier that way, too. Total energy should not be confused with energy density. The electricity that runs your refrigerator for a week is almost exactly equal to the work done by a 12.7 cm bore (5 inch bore) naval gun when it fires one 30 kg. (67 lbs.) shell 15,000 meters (about 9 miles.). We can't do a 10e18 volts event yet in a collider over time. It would MELT. We CAN do it for exactly 1 second. We just don't want to explain the huge smoking hole it would leave at what used to be CERN.. FTL information transfer happens all the time. www4.ncsu.edu/unity/lockers/users/f/felder/public/kenny/papers/bell.htmlWe just don't understand it at all. What we do understand from the consequences of Bell's Theorem is that spooky action at a distance means that there is a conservation of information principle we see that implies three things directly: 1. The information that travels faster than light is instantaneous, meaning that there is NO TIME ordinate involved and that for all practical purposes to us, dimensionally, this means that the whole universe we live within, is in some imposed frame of information reference, is a POINT. 2. That for volume to exist inside that point, we need a bounded quantized interval that implies TIME.to us inside the point. That means an event horizon in the TWO directions of a time's arrow interval which we can call front and back for convenience to bound the point's physical interval limits at this dimensional state, 3. Front's edge limit is the speed of light. Back's edge limit is absolute zero. The consequences: 4. Because we are inside that point, we have to access higher order or lower dimensions to time travel. But if we do, then we enter NO TIME That means we do not have an interval to cross, because when we access the higher order dimension, we exceed the total energy to break through one of the (fuzzy) event horizons. 1 cannot be greater than 1. 0 cannot be less than 0. In the lower order dimensions, the information, THERE, that makes us possible inside the point, becomes scrambled and smeared, and we see it NOW as virtual particles, or zero point energy. We have not detected the decay product of tachyons yet, (Gravity?). Either way, we cease to exist as ordered (3)+1/-1 information to interpret when we leave the point, if we even can.. science.jrank.org/pages/7195/Virtual-Particles.html. And what's left is that we cannot interpret because we do not have the senses and the dimensional observer viewpoint (math) to so interpret YET. Here:
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Post by Nacky on Oct 14, 2010 15:52:37 GMT -5
Hey Damocles! It was just a theory, really. I don't try to go back in time or anything LOL! If I could, I'd be collecting stuff (kinda like that movie 'Time Bandits') but I have studied to some degree, subjects like physics, trig, and of course, as always, astronomy. So I take what I can gather. Very interesting points you make. The thing with total energy vs. energy density is present in our understanding of how it affects mass, but what if you could detect mass from a bygone source of energy? Something that still circlates in some form in some other dimension? They say all planets, stars, and moons have what are commonly called "ley lines" in geometrical patterns. A flow outside physical means. A measurement of course or pathways. It is fiercly argued that these produce a constant strain of energy. How? I don't know. But it's nothing man-made. A churning core that filters this energy via magnetic North & South poles, perhaps? A simple answer, but it well may be. Here are some examples of what the Ley Lines are: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ley_lineLey Lines on Google ImagesOf course, if we travel these, it must be without our physical being. In a form not bounded by physical means. They are maps more or less and they've never mapped all of them. There are possibly trillions of pathways outside and inside the whole of this planet alone. It started with the lowest point to the center of earth's gravity and extended from there. Maybe the magnetic North Pole is the close off point before breaking outside the Ley Lines of earth? Who knows? But there is where one theory of time travel basically comes from...that the time measurement that you refer to as the event horizon, is linear, and time in that scale of being is circular. My thinking is that with exotic matter, whatever particle would be practical for a physical being to travel or access, you could bend space or place that bygone energy into the place where once the planet had been. Think of it as Earth taking a step backwards - not the physical Earth, but its duplicated energy and mass and recreating that mass in that part of an orbit that it had already been at. Do you see what I'm saying? The solar system itself is also moving, so where we were in space a year ago, isn't the same space we are at now, although we are at the same distance from the sun and our timeline is doing what it's always done in the event horizon. The Ley Lines are said to be a source of an energy from sub/alternate dimensions. That may be indicative that they are also in motion or moving outside of the frame of time we know. Or maybe they're fixed. If they are in motion, that could act as sort of combination lock. You have to know the combination i.e. where exactly you want to go and take that course. In some far off point of energy that is momentarily acting as a root for the traveler. If it's fixed, you would probably have to access all the pathways in order to travel inside of any of them. Either way, you're gonna need a drink. Now where to apply exotic matter to travel to points in time? I think we'd have to shed the idea that it would take place with an object built with known materials and elements. You'd almost have to design something that could propel you without destroying you and it isn't going to be sturdy craftsmenship. We're talking weaved patterns in materials that just don't exist on earth. I don't think Unobtainium will do the trick (LOL that was just a joke har har). How do the Ley Lines and Exotic Matter equate? I think that if you could combine the course of the orbit, measure exactly where the lines have "aligned" with what mass and energy is present in the course of earth's own path (i.e. the trail of its journey) and use and apply exotic matter to re-create the same properties of energy and mass that all moving objects leave in some form in the circular, rather than the linear, that you could travel through time. (Ergo; exact placement down to the atomic structure, and exact second timing). Go back to some point and everything would be exactly as it was. Minus the people and stuff like that. There is no linear course any planet is on. Even the sun is in orbit, even the core of the galaxy is circular motion creating energy, but you knew that. To travel back or forth through time, I think measurements of the course of time we know would almost have to be forsaken. That's not to say that we should stop measuring time the way we already do. I don't know. It's just a theory. Anyway, here's more about Exotic Matter: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exotic_matteren.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_interaction_of_antimatterYou're not really creating a planet to take place and orbit in earth's course behind itself, it's more like you're re-creating the mass and then transferring the energy from its own "record" for lack of a better word. And it probably wouldn't work. It's not like I actually tried any of this, I've never been more than 36,000 feet off the earth's surface so, there ya go.
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Post by Damocles on Oct 14, 2010 20:25:19 GMT -5
Hey Damocles! It was just a theory, really. I don't try to go back in time or anything LOL! If I could, I'd be collecting stuff (kinda like that movie 'Time Bandits') but I have studied to some degree, subjects like physics, trig, and of course, as always, astronomy. So I take what I can gather. Very interesting points you make. I hope so.The mistake here is assuming that energy affects mass. Energy IS Mass unfrozen. The interval ratio is energy is equal to mass times the speed of light squared. In other words E-mc^2 or the point I told you about, that is the the basic quantized ratio. While I find the archeology fascinating that shows how the ancients used the north star and the constellations to lay out pyramids, temples, and vast civil engineering projects, I am frankly not competent to discuss the resulting Ley Lines and how we would spiritually travel them. I don't begin to understand how that would be done. A few things of gentle note. Ley Lines are physical objects. They are mapped. If they are mapped, then they were traveled to be measured. That is a physical process. Energy from other dimensions is as real as the Casimir Effect and virtual particles. That is where those physical phenomena come from. Energy is not man made. It already and simply is. What Humans do is use it in some fashion. How so? There are millions upon millions of electrons in the smallest part of foamed space-time, yet each of these leptons is identical in property to the other electrons. It is only when leptons and hadrons interchange bosons that the differentiation we call elements at the atomic scale becomes perceptible. Gravitation is not the same as electromagnetism. For one thing, gravity's particle, the poorly understood graviton, has a predicted whole integer spin of 2 while the electron has a 1/2 integer spin. The graviton we expect to be a monopole that attracts or repels, while the electron as a dipole that attracts and repels. Time if I may point out is not linear. Time is volumetric and expands or contracts depending on how much energy you freeze the "faster" you go in one direction or unfreeze the slower you go into the other direction. Counter-intuitively the interval shrinks the faster you go and expands the slower you go. Not quite correct I must point out . Space is elastic and light does travel "backwards" as it leaves an event trail in space or we could not see an object even ten meters away . It has to be able of this. Bell Theorem remember? We look into the PAST when we look however far we look into the distance. One more comment: an event horizon is a limit or physical boundary. It is not energy. It is not matter. it is a border where the absolute energy limits of our space time take hold and we cannot see past or through the border though information can enter it...just not leave. They are clearly (3)+1/-1 discrete objects. I can map them. That means to me that they are confined to this space-time. Again I am not qualified to discuss the spiritual aspects of Ley Line travel. I am however confident that the mapped physical lines are of and limited to this universe since they do NOT exhibit characteristics that I would instantly recognize for an extra-dimensional object. . That is an extra-dimensional object believe it or not. The Klein bottle will not hold a drink. Information does not have to be a construct. It can be as simple as modulated space-time. No, I'm afraid not. That violates causality and entropy. Conservation of information, even in matters of spiritual travel is fundamental to organized information theory. As long as you are a coherent observer, you cannot violate causality or entropy, not as long as TIME is present in your ordinate system. . My guess is that a universe made of negative mass matter is indistinguishable from ours-the only difference being that the symmetry is left hand as opposed to right hand. The Wiki article is wrong about gravity and anti-matter. As of 2004, Fermi Lab was able to show that anti-protons have the same gravitational tractor effect as standard protons. Again a violation of causality. All physics is local.
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